a joint sit-down interview on "60 minutes" this sunday with president obama. as secretary clinton transitions from public life to private life, anything she does will be studied for clues to her future and a potential presidential run. a joint appearance with the president can only add to the speculation. ed rendell is former governor of pennsylvania and an msnbc analyst, and marjorie margolies is a professor at the university of pennsylvania. she's also -- her son, by the way, mark, is married to chelsea clinton. i don't know which one of you knows more about the clintons. i'm going to take a guess and go to marjorie. professor, don't laugh. i'm trying to figure this out. i thought secretary clinton was a smash hit this week and she was lucky -- >> she was magnificent. >> the jackals made her look even better. they may have gotten her passions up once or twice but didn't hurt her a bit. my sense is this, what do you make of the relationship between the president personified or pictured by the fact that i have never heard of a president of the united states sh